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Joined: 24 Nov 2008, 22:53
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I was told that my total amount of trimesters for French and English workings years are 96 trimesters. I have 32 trimesters in France and 64 in uk. I have the full UK state pension as I have heritated my husband's years to complete the 30 years - But I was told that only my personal working years was taken (France+UK) in the calculation for working out my French pension and they don't take my husband years (30 years X 4=120) when they adds the 2 countries.
I don't know if it will make much difference - But I would like to know if it is right?

29 Jul 2013, 09:09

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In France they do not add the number of years the husband worked to his widow's pension.

Normally in France, the widow will get , always according to "certain conditions " dependent on her total income - a widow's separate pension (pension de reversion ) according to the level of her huband's pension.

I do not know how they treat pensions due from both countries.



29 Jul 2013, 10:13

Joined: 24 Nov 2008, 22:53
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I have a French reverse pension for the 5 years that my husband has worked in France.
The reverse pension is not calculated with the wife own's pension in France. I would have worked all the necessary years in France I would have both - my own full French pension and my husband reverse pension on top but the two of them together must not be over around 19000 euros. French civil servant are untitled to both pensions even if they are to gether over the 19000 euros.
In UK they don't give reverse pension anymore - only the years that are missing to the wife state pension. If the wife has already all the years worked by herself - she will have the full uk state pension and nothing else.
For calculating my French pension - the French has to calculate like if I have always worked in France with the years worked in UK. They are not counting my husband's years that have been given to me by the UK. That is why I was asking the question.
If I am untitled to it in one country - why are the French not recognising them?
They are supposed when they have the two pensions calculated by the two countries to re-calculate the pension with a formula
(un taux spécial européen) and after they will give the highest pension - the French first and the English nealy 3 years later.

29 Jul 2013, 15:44

Joined: 19 Sep 2005, 11:06
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Location: Eure - ex Deux-Sèvres

See how the French see the question of those having worked i several countries, on an example.

Ici:French Link. - Here:English Google Translation( can be quite approximate or even wrong).

Or quote from Cleiss = "Centre des Liaisons Européennes et Internationales" :

3 - Les règles concernant les pensionnés
La législation qui leur est applicable est déterminée en fonction de ou des Etats débiteurs de pension et du lieu de résidence. Les articles 23 à 26 déterminent l'Etat unique qui va supporter la charge des prestations du pensionné et des membres de sa famille qui n'ont pas des droits propres et qui dés lors est l'Etat compétent.

Or more details, how pensions are supposed to be worked out: ... te883.html



If you need a rough Google English translation you can copy the link or the text you need in the following box ... fr&tab=wT#

NB. For an exact translation, especially in administrative matters, you may need the help of an expert, to do an exact translation.)

29 Jul 2013, 16:22

Joined: 24 Nov 2008, 22:53
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Thank you for trying to help but there is nothing about the question I was asking.
Why if UK gives working years to the widow - The French don't adds them in the total of years UK+ French?
If it is untitled in UK in the total of years + the French years why
in France they don't adds them up?

29 Jul 2013, 20:50

Joined: 11 Dec 2011, 18:40
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veryelisa1 wrote:
Thank you for trying to help but there is nothing about the question I was asking.
Why if UK gives working years to the widow - The French don't adds them in the total of years UK+ French?
If it is untitled in UK in the total of years + the French years why
in France they don't adds them up?

Why don't you ask your local Assurance retraite. You will get the definitive answer.

29 Jul 2013, 20:59

Joined: 24 Nov 2008, 22:53
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They are the one who told me : NO I can't have my husband years calculated with the total of the 2 countries.
That is why I am asking here.
I will wait for the letter I am supposed to receive and write
to CLEISS - Centre des liaisons européennes et internationales.

Not long ago I have read that there was a mistake one every 10 French state pension in France.....

29 Jul 2013, 21:18
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