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Hi all


JC the bot knife is one from the UK and no it does not work, they have in the past on my other beasties, also the blocks have but not on Guinness there could be a conflicting factor here, I'm gonna try a few other things later I will report my findings :wink:

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26 Sep 2009, 12:14
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Hilltopshot wrote:
Crystal wrote:
A safety razor also works well :)


<takesdeepbreaths> 1...2...3....

I will not make jokes about pinching hubby's Gillette.....4...... I will not make jokes about pinching hubby's Gillette....5.....6....I will NOT make jokes about pinching hubby's Gillette....



:lol: :lol:


Don't worry, I don't use his new blades :shock:

I wait for him to use them first! :wink: then the blade isn't too sharp and 'skims' nicely over the hair taking off the bots without taking the hair with it!! :lol:


........then act surprised when he complains that the new blades I bought for him are useless as he only gets one shave out of them! :twisted:


26 Sep 2009, 14:31
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i use 1 of those plastic brillo pad things for scouring dishes,
1st off soak the leg hairs in vinegar as this dissolves the 'glue' holding on the egg, i don't know if it would kill the egg but if it pickles the darn beggar i suppose it might?
give the hair a good scrub with the plastic brillo, then rub in a good dollop of oil and scrub again,
any persistent survivors should be easier to pick off,
if you want to wash off the gunk left behind put neat shampoo on the hair and then add a tiny bit of water, emulsify the oil and then rinse off,

As i have never used a bot knife, & i am not even sure how to, could anyone fill me on on how as i believe i am getting 1 free with some wormers i ordered, if it arrives in time i will have a go, if it works i am willing to change to it, you gotta go with what does the job, bye! :wink:


26 Sep 2009, 23:15
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Hi Salee,

Firstly, look at the knife and get to know that it has two sides on the 'cutting' edge. One side has fewer indentations and the other has more. (This is a bit like describing a spiral staircase in words without visual aids!!) The side with fewer indentations should be closest to the horse's body. Hold the knife at a fairly close angle to the horse (so your fingers are not quite touching him) and with a smooth and firm ( but not hard) pressure, run it in the direction of the hair growth over the area with the attached eggs. The indentations should catch and remove the eggs. Use the curved edge for flatter areas of your horse and the short flat edge on fiddly bits on the legs.

I have heard of misuse of the knives actually causing cuts the horse's skin, so you do need to be careful.

The knives do work - but I still find picking eggs off with finger nails is probably quicker.

Hope that helps.

Viv


26 Sep 2009, 23:38
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Hi Viv


May I borrow you for a day :lol:

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Another wierd/wonderful trick to prevent bots laying their eggs is to rub a "bounce" sheet over the legs and areas prone to bots (Bounce sheets are those funny tissue things you put in your tumble drier to make the clothes smell nice. Assume bots don't like the smell? Or can't attach the eggs?) Definately seems to reduce the amount off eggs and the few that I find I can scratch off with my fingernails.


28 Sep 2009, 14:56
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Hi TF


I have those Ok will give it a go.


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28 Sep 2009, 16:08
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Another losing battle !!! :shock: Two days ago I cut off (with curved scissors) all the bot eggs. Today there are more than ever. There must be millions about.
Will try a blunt razor this time.
I do think that oil is suposed to smother things so that they can't breath and they die but do bo eggs need to breath?
Does anyone know what purpose bot flies do in the cycle of things. May be Chris will know.
By the way, re worming for bots. It's neccessary to read the small print as although they might state it kills bots it tells you in the small print at what stages they are. Was horrified to discover some lava in one horse last year after they had been dosed with wormer (can't remember what) when six weeks prior to that they had Equvilan.
Also, as the climate is changing so rapidly may be wormers should be changed accordingly - what do you think?


28 Sep 2009, 16:55
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'Orrible things. Yep, fingernails for me too though I can get some off with the pumice stone/lava block. Warning - don't read this if you're eating:
http://entnemdept.ifas.ufl.edu/creatures/livestock/horse_bot_fly.htm

I've always been told to worm after the first frost (which kills the adult fly so no more eggs) with ivermectin but moxidectin (Equest Pramox) will kill them too.


28 Sep 2009, 17:15
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I once saw a product called Bot Remover - I think it was Net Tex but I never got round to trying it, you sprayed it on and it made the bots let go apparently :lol:


28 Sep 2009, 18:40
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cbpinet wrote:
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I don't know what part of France you are but, here in the Dordogne, the warble fly "varron" has been eliminated from the cattle herds.

In fact it is mentioned on each cow passport, "cheptel indeme varron". It is the most nasty of flies and used to cause no end of damage and distress to cattle.

I suspect that what you destroyed was perhaps a very chunky horse fly.Either way, I agree there are few pleasures greater than the pleasure of squashing any fly that can make the lives of our animals a misery.!!

kind regards cbp


Hi cbp. I am in the Dordogne - and close to lots of cattle. Perhaps I need to find an image of a french warble - as it hovered between the legs and belly of the horses, with its tail pointing upwards - definitely not the actions of the classic horse fly. Perhaps someone can find an image?


28 Sep 2009, 18:47
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Hi Bluey


I thought that was a bot fly, they hover and are easily caught, trouble is hard to identify after I've sqashed it :) we also have the great big flies..goodness knows what they are but again after a wack hard to define and of course the blood sucking beasties...horse flies I thought...I'm sure I will be corrected :wink:

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28 Sep 2009, 20:44
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Hi Bluey,

I know the flies you are referring to. They are really big and persistent and I have seen them under my cattle but, they are not warble flies. I am going by the illustration in my "Blacks veterinary" book.

I don't think that if there were real warble flies around that cattle wouldn't be affected by them. It has been over ten years now that the mention "warble free herd" has been on my cattle passports, more to the point, in thirty years in the Dordogne I have not seen the tell tale bumps along the spines of any cattle. They used to be frequently visible along the backs of cattle in Wales before I left. They were treated with some pretty horrible chemicals ( the cattle not the flies!!).

We could try googling "varron" and see what it says for France.


kind regards cbp


28 Sep 2009, 21:56
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Bluey wrote:
Perhaps someone can find an image?


If you 'google' 'horse bot fly' and go to 'images' you will see that they look quite different to an ordinary horse fly

Also, I think that from what I've read, bots are also different to warbles - although they may be of the same fly 'family'

As far as I know, bot fly larvae pass through the horse and are passed out of the body in the horse's droppings. Warble larvae migrate to the animals back and exit through the skin.


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Hi,
just had a google and came up with the name hypodermose. Warble to you and me!!. France launched a plan called the "plan Varron" in 1988 to eradicate the fly. Don't know how they did it but, it seems to have worked. According to the article, there were four or five cases of humans contracting illnesses caused by the warble larva each year...gruesome!!


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